mrceagle
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 1/25/2008 7:11:23 PM
I wanted to try a few things so I started popping info from the site into a spreadsheet. I Took the parks From New England and The north east. I came up with a few interesting numbers.
New England parks had an:
average review count of 214.08
with an average park ranking of 7.30
There was a rides per park average of 20
with a reviews per ride average of 8.29
The North East parks:
had an average review count of 313.70
with an average park ranking of 7.36
There was an rides per park average of 18.98
with an reviews per ride average of 7.82
I Took the park averages and created a state average off of them. here is the listed in descending order.
VA 7.83
NH 7.56
MA 7.35
NY 7.32
ME 7.27
PA 7.00
MD 6.75
NJ 6.63
DE 6.03
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BobFunland
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 1/28/2008 3:18:01 AM
hm. I wonder why NH is #2
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mrceagle
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1/28/2008 12:17:58 PM
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hm. I wonder why NH is #2 |
The bigger question on another site I posted this on was why was PA in 6th
But these are straight averages. Using the numbers from this site.
The parks come in fairly close also. I just did the south east last night and will post the results soon. I want to do one more region before post again. what I'm calling est central will include states like Ohio, Wisconsin, and Kentucky
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coasterf42
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 1/28/2008 9:50:12 PM
^Well that's very good, but I think you totally missed Joe's point.
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mrceagle
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1/29/2008 10:08:20 PM
I think I got Joe's point. Think is I didn't play with any numbers to get NH in second. This is using the numbers as they stand on the site. Though still in second recent reviews on the site
dropped NH average down to 7.52 down by .04 points.
Update:
East central parks had an:
average review count of 333.95
with an average park ranking of 6.64
There was a rides per park average of 17.38
with a reviews per ride average of 11.60
The South East parks:
had an average review count of 449.26
with an average park ranking of 7.14
There was an rides per park average of 16.26
with an reviews per ride average of 26.92
South Carolina 7.50
Florida 7.32
Tennessee 7.29
Indiana 7.26
Missouri 6.94
Wisconsin 6.92
Ohio 6.88
Alabama 6.68
Kentucky 6.44
North Carolina 6.28
Illinois 6.11
Message updated 2/3/2008 12:20:36 PM by mrceagle
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Hercules
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1/30/2008 12:59:12 PM
We don't think that you played with the numbers - it is just that there are so few reviews for New Hampshire, and the reviews that are there are 9's and 10's from you and Yoshi.
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larrygator
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1/30/2008 1:27:14 PM
^or to put it more bluntly, certain people are real homers when it comes to their own parks.
Also the NH parks are a bit off the beaten path resulting in fewer reviews for those rides.
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mrceagle
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1/30/2008 4:17:17 PM
There is 11.58 average reviews per ride for Canobie and 4.85 reviews for Story land. So 2 reviews especially on Canobie's doesn't mean much. Santa's Village has 4.78 average reviews per ride. The other 2 parks are below the state average.
If you feel Yoshi or Myself is over hyping this ride. Go off the beaten path Visit theses parks and rate them your selves. see f you agree or disagree. Thing is I go into all the parks the same way. I haven't hesitated about giving good reviews out to any of the parks I have been to. even if I do dislike some of the parks.
But ever state has fallen around the same way. 1-3 parks that are very well rated with the rest going down. but some of those low parks are just like the NH parks. few reviews likely mostly locals but with some ride not reviewed once. I'm sure Little-A-merica would be better rated then it is if Meteor was being rated same thing with Worlds of Fun Patriot doesn't have one review.
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larrygator
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1/30/2008 4:49:47 PM
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If you feel Yoshi or Myself is over hyping this ride. Go off the beaten path Visit theses parks and rate them your selves. see f you agree or disagree. |
I went off the beaten path and visited Canobie and disagree with your ratings.
Also, Patriot at Worlds of Fun is still listed as under construction in the TPC database.
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coaster05
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1/30/2008 6:20:56 PM
Actualy 2 ratings do make a huge difference. If the first 10 people give the ride a 4 that is 40 points and obviously a 4 average. If the last two homers give it a 10 that gives the ride 60 points and raises the average to a 5. Skewing a ride by 1 full point is a huge impact on said ratings. As Larry sid I have been to Canobie also and it is no where close to as good as you say. Course we had this discussion a couple years ago when I found out you gave more 10's to that park then Joe has given to all his rides total.
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mrceagle
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1/30/2008 6:41:24 PM
Ok well your 4 reviews are weighted in. though there are around 30 attraction not even on your tracker. Your also less then 1 point lower the the average worked out to be. your average was higher then the overall average on Clark's.
As for patriot Meteor might be in the same position thats a place were this site has fallen apart. maybe a Mod could get those turned on so that they can be rated and help the end result be more accurate.
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mrceagle
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1/31/2008 7:56:14 PM
Coaster I agree. on a low review park like story land it can make a deferance. but like you said if others didn't agree it would be in the 5 range. but it's at 8.27 overall average that means that other reviewers agree. but on canobie there is 11.58 reviews per ride. it makes a much smaller influance.
Now on a similar not some parks and states are suffering from the same thing your talking about with the smaller NH parks and my ratings. there are only a few rides available for reviewing. so a porely reviewed ride has more influence. I know that Ghost town in the sky has more then 3 rides. there are other parks in that same situation.
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BobFunland
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2/1/2008 9:01:30 AM
Quote:
larrygator said:
Also, Patriot at Worlds of Fun is still listed as under construction in the TPC database. |
whoops...
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So 2 reviews especially on Canobie's doesn't mean much. Santa's Village has 4.78 average reviews per ride. The other 2 parks are below the state average. |
BUT.. 11.78 reviews per ride doesn't compare as well as, say, 200 reviews at a Disney park or more than 100 at major parks across the country. You effectively have 10 times more influence on Canobie's score as you would at a big regional park... at 20 times more influence than you would at, say, a Disney or Cedar Point.
See where you can have a much greater influence at a small park?
And yes, mrc's average score to rides at Canobie was something like 8.8. Crazy
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coaster05
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2/1/2008 11:34:22 AM
He is not the only one who does that at Canobie. It seems that anyone who is close enough to hit that place with a rock thinks the Canobie Corkscrew is an amazing piece of coastering genius.
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mrceagle
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2/1/2008 8:00:33 PM
The average review count per ride at Magic Kingdom is 74.74 while CP is 66.77 still much higher but not quite as much as you think. Also so far all the regions have an average of 10.86 reviews per ride.
perhaps I am lenient towards my reviews
but I review the parks on that same level. but I feel it's better then posting a review saying it's the best ride I've ever been on but I'll give it my standard Family rating of 5.
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Hercules
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2/2/2008 1:00:05 AM
It amazes me how much sense you don't make.
Do you just not get it???
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coaster05
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2/2/2008 8:57:36 AM
If it is the best ride I have ever been on I would give it a ten, no matter if it was a family ride or not. Bouncy, bouncy at Zaragosa would easily score a ten as it is probaly one of my 3 favaorite flat rides ever. that being said I won't give a corkscrew a ten, or nine, just because it is a good model of that type of ride, because even the best corkscrew is no where close to an average woodie.
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coasterf42
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2/2/2008 6:34:10 PM
^^^Since you have all this time to pull up pointless stats, here's what stats I'd like to see:
1. Your average rating for all rides at Canobie Lake
2. Canobie Lake's overall average
3. Your average rating of your last 50 or so reviews.
Then maybe we can all see the bias/lack there of.
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coaster05
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2/2/2008 8:43:24 PM
I have no idea what my last 50 reviews are, and since I have close to 700 it would take me a long freaking time to figure that out.
BTW this type of thing is an ongoing discussion with MRC and even though his bias irritate me I would still rather here about coasters from him then 98% of the people who post on coaster sites. He at least really enjoys the hobby, is respectful at parks, and speaks his opinion. So even though I don't agree with him a lot, I do respect him. I also know he can handle himself without someone elses help.
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mrceagle
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2/2/2008 9:05:09 PM
The canobie one could be done, but 3 would be a bit harder. I think they would consist of Palace playland and Playland in NY. but I wouldn't know what the other 20-15 reviews are. I have 410 ride reviews. It would be easier if I had only reviewed and ridden 110 rides like yourself.
as for Canobie's average here you are:
7.79 with 500 reviews.
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mrceagle
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2/3/2008 12:04:02 PM
Update:
central parks had an:
average review count of 105.05
with an average park ranking of 6.74
There was a rides per park average of 17.68
with a reviews per ride average of 4.83
The Western parks:
had an average review count of 195.04
with an average park ranking of 7.15
There was an rides per park average of 15.17
with an reviews per ride average of 12.78
Iowa 7.85
Oregon 7.74
Nevada 7.51
Texas 7.42
California 7.14
Washington 7.00
New Mexico 6.75
Louisiana 6.73
Arizona 6.68
Colorado 6.67
Minnesota 6.45
Utah 6.21
If you noticed Iowa and Organ have taken the number 1 and 3 spots. NH is now in 4th.
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coasterf42
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2/5/2008 9:58:08 PM
It's pretty easy to get anyone's average score, just simply by adding up the person's latest reviews on their info page. There are 30 listed there. I'll do it for myself.
6.87
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taylorb251
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2/6/2008 12:20:56 PM
Their last 30 could be a couple of really good parks or a couple of crap parks. So I wouldn't say that is some ones ave.
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2/6/2008 2:05:59 PM
Some other things you guys may or may not no regarding ratings.
The site uses an Olympics type of scoring for ride and averages when it comes to the front page, I'm not sure how far back it filters into the site, it's been a long time, but for the overall top rides and parks on the front page it works this way.
Any ride with over 25 reviews is then averages over the middle 90% of reviews. What that they top and bottom 5 percent are thrown out and the average of the remaining reviews is used.
Originally the idea was someone coming in and throwing a "1" on a review wouldn't hurt it as much as a flat average, and would help discourage people from doing it.
A while back I'd toyed around with a user BIAS system that employed the same system but on top of that actually took each persons reviews into account.
It worked like this:
TPC rating scale is 1-10 and therefore 5.5 should be the average score for an average ride.
(1,2,3,4,5) *5.5* (6,7,8,9,10)
Let's user has an average rating of 8 from all the reviews they've done on TPC. The BIAS assigned to that user then would be: 5.5 - 8 = -2.5
The system would then take any review by that user an automatically reduce it's by 2.5.
I just updated ran the script and here's the top rides, I'll see if I can get a Top Parks one together..
Oops: here's the correct link:
http://www.stonedonkey.com/Uploads/weightedrides_1.txt
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mrceagle
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2/6/2008 7:08:14 PM
Quote:
coasterf42 said:
It's pretty easy to get anyone's average score, just simply by adding up the person's latest reviews on their info page. There are 30 listed there. I'll do it for myself.
6.87 |
Not really, you see every time a person comments to one of your reviews it is pulled to the top. take yours for example. 18 of 30 reviews are commented reviews. Those 18 are not exactly your last 50.
but I did figure it out though 29 of the 50 were PLayland park in NY. Canobie came out to be an 8.64 and the top 50 came out to 8.22 wish was like I just said 3/5ths Playland park. And while it had a Great dark ride selection there were only a few worth while rides outside of that. Like taylorb251 that might include a really good or a really bad park. Playland wasn't anything amazing.
ThmPrkCrtc - The numbers are state by state. They are not from the parks ranking link which I think uses your Olympic style of ranking and I think that top tens also have some merit towards their placement.
Anyways this was mostly about getting some conversations going on the site. things were a little slow when I started this. While it seems to be pointed at me it still has brought some buzz to the site.
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