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0 Rating Posted by: b_lane_s on 9/16/2002 3:31:00 PM

I have never felt so comfortable in a coaster train. These trains are so much more comfortable than the Vekoma flyer trains. The ride is fun, but after the pretzel loop the ride settles into being more tame than the usual B&M backtrack. I cant wait to see where they take their flying coasters. Superman Ultimate Flight is great, but I think back to the days when B&M first started their standup designs (Vortex at Carowinds) and how far they have come with those(Mantis, Riddlers Revenge); the next couple of years will be great for the B&M flying coasters!!!!

Sorry, its Vekoma...my mistake!

If you want, you can edit the review by going to the S:UF reviews page, and then scroll towards the bottom and youll see your review there. Make the corrections and press the update review button.

you sure seemed like you liked it, so why did you give it an 8?

Nice review. Welcome to the site. Im assuming your 8 was do to the fast their wasnt much after the Pretzel.

My 8 isnt all that bad, considering half of the review is about the past and future of the B&M coasters. When I say the ride was "fun...great", I mean just that. Its not orgasmic, unbeatable, or amazing. As I was trying to state in the review, I think that there are a lot of tricks and manouvers that have yet to be designed for the flying coasters from B&M. I do feel that the layout of the Vekoma flyers are more thrilling throughout the ride than the S:UF layout. The pretzel is the only heart pounding element: the rest is a little to ho-hum. Think Vortex at Carowinds vs. Mantis/Riddlers Revenge. They are all great coasters in their own right, but B&M are good at improving their designs with each coaster and RR takes the cake. In conclusion: S:UF=Vortex Carowinds...future B&M flyers=big thrills!!!

ok, so your 2 points of are for the lack of intensity. jsut wanted to know Im not arguing hte rating. just wanted to understand why.

Sorry bout that!

My 2 points are also for the future and knowing whats bound to be in store for the next round of flyers from B&M. I cant wait to ride their 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 minute flyer coasters! They will be amazing!!!
There are so many discussions to be had about one ride, one element, one seat, time of day... the list goes on. By the way, I really like the site!!!! Thanks

Then how can you give any ride a good rating. every coaster form every company will eventually be overshadowed by the new model. thats really no reason to take points off. the idea is to rate the ride. not rate what the company will do. in htat 2- whatever years. then subtract the points. but to take off two points for somthign that thay havnt done yet isnt how you rate a ride.

Dude, now you are getting crazy! Have you ridden a "corkcrew coaster" from Arrow? Have you ridden the first "stand-ups" from B&M! NOT A 10 at all, right? Right. And the designers themselves have even been quoted as saying things very similar. Superman Ultimate Flight is missing something very important and that is a grand finish, or even a good finish! Its actually quite boring after the pretzel loop ! I feel they even had to make up a name for the maneuver "horseshoe?" to give it a little more clout! How can I give a coaster a 10! Your are sadly misunderstanding me in thinking that the only reason I took two points off (which I actually like to think of it as "added 8 points") is only because of coasters that have not yet been designed. My own quote from the first review, copied and pasted here is, "The ride is fun, but after the pretzel loop the ride settles into being more tame than the usual B&M backtrack." I, as most of us do, know what B&M are capable of, this is not one of their best at all. And by the way, an 8 is a good rating by my standards, the word "fun" is positive, the word "tame" is not desired in the same sentence with the word "roller coaster", and my statements about the past and future of coasters doesnt change anything about the real steel that IS this coaster. It is actually just a positive take on history and what we have to look forward to. Did I like this coaster? YES! Are there better coasters standing right next to it that deserve a better score? YES! Is it SFOG best coaster? NO! Did I leave this coaster feeling disappointed? In some ways, yes! I think that Air" at Alton Towers might look a little more thrilling to me, with better theming and design elements.

This was what I was comenting to on coment #8. you said "My 2 points are also for the future and knowing whats bound to be in store for the next round of flyers from B&M. I cant wait to ride their 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 minute flyer coasters! They will be amazing!!! There are so many discussions to be had about one ride, one element, one seat, time of day... the list goes on." this sounds as if you wer ediducting points becouse their are better ones coming. you in this last post explaned things much beter on what teh two point diductin was for and why you aworded it with an 8. I have riden an Arrow Corkscrew. if you look at my tracker My top park and favirate park in canobie Lake in Salem, NH we have the #2 arrow Corkscrew.

First of all, the word "also" is very important in my statement from #7.
It is virtually impossible to single handedly ride one coaster without in some way thinking of another, unless you are a first time rider. They all have some things in common, dont they? To review and rate a coaster "fairly", as I have tried to do in this format, would require the reviewer to have some background knowledge of the entire coaster experience. Correct? My BIG POINT: I know that B&M are capable of creating better thrills than S:UF. All I have to do is go to the front of the park and ride "Batman" and "The GA Scorcher". To say in a nice way (as I have) that they (B&M) CAN DO BETTER, and EVENTUALLY WILL, is more than enough reason to, as you put it, "take two points off." Two years down the road in the future, when (I hope) B&M have created more flyers, it will not change the fact that S:UF is what it is. The fact of the matter is, I was giving more insight to back up my score, than just basing it on the NEXT BEST THING. "How can I give any ride a good rating" you ask? Easy. Many of the coasters in my top ten get a perfect 10 and are far from the "latest creations" of the designers. Some of my all time top ten experiences have been on smaller design, traditional layout-style coasters. Coincedentally, some (and I say SOME) of my worst coaster experiences have been on newer, bigger, faster coasters; both wood and steel. Perfect example would be Custom Coasters International building two of my favorite woodies, Timber Terror and Tremors at Silverwood in Idaho (which is also the home of the #1 Arrow Corkscrew that was relocated from Knotts Berry Farm) back in 1996 and 1998. They both give a perfect 10 ride! However, The Hurricane in Myrtle Beach, SC, and The Villan at SFGA, built by the same company after the two in Idaho, were in some cases, far from a perfect rating. Obviously, the Coney Island Cyclone, which happens to be in my top 10 as well, is far from the lastest creation and definitely gives the ride of a lifetime.So... after spending WAY too much time on this subject, whats my point again? B&M have done better in the past and are capable of doing better in the future and it is perfectly valid to base a score on just that!

I see you are upset on my comments. to that I am sorry. withthe way it was writen i messunderstood what you were getign at when it came to futer B&M flyers. Teh statment of it gits very tame after the pretzel is good enuf for me for teh 8 point ratign over a 10. abotu the B&M flyer. we had a conversation a wile bake about why the Pretzel is the only intence park of the ride. I stated this fact. when a bird or plain flys their is a bit of gracfullness to it. that seemd to be the gone of this coaster. to feel like you flying. not throughn every witch way. Im shore more inversion will come out once they can figure out how to do it safly. but I thing the gracfull flyign elements will reamain also. You had also mentin ed aobut the Horeshow. it was around befor ethe flying coaster it wasnt somthing they mad up.

Hey, mrceagle, I am not upset, honestly, with our discussion. I have enjoyed the challenge of finding everyway possible to say what I have said about the B&M flyers. B&M are definitely one of my all time favorite roller coaster manufacturing companies of all time. I definitely think that they do create some ot the most "graceful" coasters out there, and that to me is revolutionary in the steel coaster catagory. In backing up that statement, if you have ridden any of the latest B&M inverted coasters like Alpinegeist or the Raptor at Cedar Point, they are a perfect example of improved "grace" from the Batman clone coasters. The manouvers are a little more stretched out and they give you just a little more time to realize what your body is going thru. I would also agree with you that the SFOG Batman is one of the Best clones out there. By the way, I am not able to log on to the Roller Coaster Data Base, is anyone else having this problem? That site has become a sort-of bible to me lately.

Im havign the same problem. got in from school thou. i agree B&M is probubly the best company to come around since Schwarzkopf. he is another prime example of how a ride shoudl be made. he was able to creat coaster with such exact loops and safe enough that only lapbars were needed. Mind Bender is a fantastic coaster. and the Viper not in SFKK is my all time faverate coaster. packed a hell of a punch alone with Airtime which is highly lackign in todays shuttles.

Mind Bender is by far one of my favorites too! I still think every turn and hill is as gracefull as it was in 79. It packs a thrill to the end. I too like the shuttle loopers from Schwarzkopf, my first was White Lightning at Carowinds that is now located in Africa somewhere. I do miss the stomach catching return thru the loop in the back seat,

ya that back seat can almost kill you. almost being the entertaining word. Dont see many Shuttel loopd in the north east. infact all th parks in this area that have Schwarzkopf coaster have either sold them(riverside/SFNE) or have clased (Rockey Point bought the Riverside Coaster)

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