Hercules
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 4/17/2005 4:32:06 PM
They jump on you at Great Adventure too, big time. Not so much at Dorney, just a little. Great Adventure also hates the smoking in the line for Batman. They really yell for that.
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coaster05
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4/17/2005 7:58:14 PM
I am glad they get on people for both. They are both extremely annoying to the guest who are patiently waiting.
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The Lado
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 4/20/2005 7:39:36 PM
Even though I am usually the one letting the people in, I hate jumpers too. When I see one I am thinkin' what the hell? All I usually say though is back of the line please and give them an evil look. Ha!
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mrceagle
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4/24/2005 10:46:47 AM
Openign day at SFNE i said somthign to a group of kids that were climbing over the railings. they wern'treally cuting since th eride was likly not goign to full. But they were gumpong over the railings to get to the front of the were people were on the line . The ride had barly started and tey were rushing for nothing. they had plenty of time to get to the front of the line. needless to say the parents were no were to be found.
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darkridrMD
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5/20/2005 8:31:39 AM
I hate line cutters too but generally will not say anything if I'm alone or if they are fairly polite. But if I'm with friends or I'm already pissed at something, there's no telling. There was a woman 2 years ago at SFA who tried to get in front of me to join her boyfriend. I blocked her way and told her someone else may let her in but it wouldn't be me. We had already waited long enough to ride on Batman that had broken down several times during that day. We had a verbal tiff but someone else wound up letting her in. My thing is-make a decision if you are going to ride or not BEFORE you get in line. It's not that difficult. And it's not only kids that do it. I've never complained to a ride op before.
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WAR2174
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5/22/2005 10:11:16 PM
We used to crack down on cutters at Drachen Fire. Go figure, right, people were actually excited to go on Drachen Fire.  Anyway, the squad we had working at Drachen Fire were a bunch of smart-asses and we always would get in trouble for goofing around. But we hated line cutters.
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mrceagle
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5/24/2005 9:58:57 AM
i hade a group mad a me because I wouldn't let them cut the line to get to there freinds. I could see managment watchign theme and I explained the rules and that is wasn't worth it. I had to get out of line to meat up with some people. that set them off yealign ans swearign at me because I made this huge fuss and now I'm leaving. so what I saved them from getign kicked out of line for the night. Some peopel jsut don't do well with others.
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darkridrMD
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5/24/2005 4:03:26 PM
mrceagle- unfortunately, there are some in every bunch!
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Godsentone
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5/25/2005 2:05:23 PM
Yeah, ignore them and go on. I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone. Sometimes you can't please anyone.
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mrceagle
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5/26/2005 10:16:27 PM
I've backed off on yellign at people for line cuting. smoking in line I get more argumentitive abotu since I am Alergic to Nicatine and it makes me sick.
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coasterwom
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5/19/2006 11:50:13 PM
I don't like when people cut in lines but I usually don't say anything unless the line is really long for a ride then if the operator doesn't say anything to them I just ignore it.
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nyeboy9
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 5/23/2006 5:41:18 PM
If someone cut me I would think no big deal. Then they would get on the ride and only one car is operating. Like Thunderhead and Tennessee Tornado on some days. Then the ride would break down they got off. Murphey's Law 101.
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erinys
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5/23/2006 7:30:11 PM
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I am Alergic to Nicatine and it makes me sick. |
I'm off-topic, but asking for clarification: are you allergic to nicotine, which is a toxic chemical used as a pesticide that will kill anyone/anything at the right concentration, are you particularly sensitive to specifically nicotine, or are you allergic or specifically sensitive to some other component of second hand smoke? Smoke complaints seem much more legitimate when they are more scientifically based and specific.
For example, I am not allergic to smells, I am allergic to and get seizures from synthetic (man-made) organic fragrances (aromatic compounds), but naturally occuring essential oils don't provoke any reaction.
Sorry, pet peeve. Line cutters suck and should be Tazered (sp?).
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adriahna
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5/23/2006 7:46:50 PM
Heck, what can I do but jump in on the discussion... if mrceagle's anything like me, secondhand smoke in general sets him off physically. I don't know the scientific basis of it, but just the smoke itself sends me into a pretty hideous headache that lasts for about a day. I have no problem with smokers (ie you're a cool person), and if they want to smoke that's cool, too, but I just can't be around it for any length of time. Not your fault, not my fault - it's just what it is.
Yeehaw! Back to the discussion...
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Scott
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5/23/2006 11:14:51 PM
Smoking in line is nasty. Go kill yourself somewhere else. I don't need to walk around with a migraine for a day because someone can't refrain from smoking.
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erinys
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5/24/2006 6:16:20 PM
I understand the line thing - I don't want to smell someone in line anymore than you want to inhale someone's smoke, and it's wrong for someone to force you (or me) into that. I understand the toxic chemical thing. After coming home with a migraine today after someone sat too close to me wearing perfume I understand too well. Someone else may think they smell good, I think I'm sick of taking narcotic pain killers or major tranquilizers for them to smell 'good' and in my space, the same way someone else is sick of losing their day to a migraine or asthma for someone else to look 'cool' or feed an addiction. Done. So now:
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Our lives were 'threatened' this past weekend when we wouldn't let the same folks rudely cut (I realize that is redundant) in front of us at yet another ride. I probably would have just ignored it (out of fear), but it was the straw that broke my buddy's back. I've got nothing against the kids who make that last second angled dash to slip through into the queue before someone else, but to pull the same 'my friends are up there' 'I've gotta get my stuff' 'I just got out of line to take care of my little brother' in line after line is unacceptable. While the US is getting more urban, I think more and more kids are being raised in barns. Not that all are - not intending to offend any young people here, it just seems some parents haven't done their jobs very well.
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adriahna
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5/24/2006 6:41:11 PM
The most annoying - and, in the end, amusing - line cutting experience I had was at Knoebels, waiting for the Haunted Mansion. Now, I never before, or since, saw anyone try to cut a line at Knoebels - at least in my time there, I've only run into people who treat each other with respect. So, when the hubby and I were in line for HM, it came as something of a shock to see an ENTIRE FAMILY of New Yorkers cut right into the middle of the line. Everyone sort of had this shocked look on their faces - I, in turn, got pissed as hell. As I passed them, I said to the father, "Look - we don't take line cutting too kindly in this park. Get to the back, or I'll report you." He sniffed at me, and for the rest of the wait, the kids he was with, all seven of them, mocked my words. I was reeling pissed by the time we entered the loading ramp - so was pretty much everyone in line. However, as I stepped up to the platform, I recognized Dave Wynn, the park's band organ expert. I pretty much went to jello, and immediately forgot how angry I was... in the end, I was too busy blabbing out to him how much I admire him and totally dig what he does to even find time to rat out the cutters. :dork: What's worse, I didn't see them in the park again, which is very unusual in a small park like Knoebels...
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erinys
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5/24/2006 7:18:52 PM
Interesting! Maybe they learned it from their parents! Nice that you got weak in the knees and had something wonderful to distract you from the immediate annoyance.
We'd let a kid, 8-10, obviously cut in front of us in a line earlier that day. He was so obvious they way he looked around, tried to be sneaky, and even tried to make eye contact constantly or find a look of recognition from anyone. Yet he seemed so ADHD, alone, and sad from what I projected as a lack of attention or parental oversight, it seemed it would only be hurtful to keep him from something that might make him momentarily happy. Of course, he was the last one on and the one who kept us from getting on that boarding of the ride. 
I'm having a mental/migraine moment, so if my spelling or words aren't exactly right, please bear with me. Sorry.
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RCGenius
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5/27/2006 5:37:31 AM
The only thing I really hate about line cutters is that they're in line, leave the line to get so'em to eat or drink or waiting for their family or friends, & then they try to cut back in line at around the same spot they were in before. That has happened to me before at Hersheypark, Dorney Park, & Cedar Point. Usually, I'll just let it go & talk bad about them under my breath. I guess I should use some of those tips I've heard before from another website about how you can get rid of line cutters.
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Horizons12
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5/31/2006 8:09:04 PM
I have a little story to tell. I remember one time I was waiting for Batman & Robin: The Chiller, and these people just stopped moving at the the part where the queue for the front seat ends and the other seat queues begin. There was a large open space in front of them and some of the seat lines had space to line up into. So I just went around the side of them and queued into a line. Then one of them goes, "hey, you know you can't cut the line." So I explain to them that they were supposed to move forward into the station and that was that. Though, I overheard them loudly grumbling about how if you line jumped that you could be kicked out without a refund. I didn't wiseass and tell them that I had a season pass but it ticked me off a bit. I mean, it's not really cutting anyway if ahead of them is the free-for-all that is the seat queues, now is it? I don't like line jumpers at all and I would never cut in line myself.
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iScream
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6/28/2006 7:37:24 PM
My worst line cutting incident happened at PKD... while I was on a date. My date, his mom, and I were waiting in line for Ricochet when these two little boys came shoving past. Personally, I didn't think it was a big deal (after all, it was just Ricochet and the wait was only 10 min), but my date's mom actaully grabbed their arms and hauled them to the back of the line while screaming about their disrespectfulness and impatience. One of the boys even started crying! My poor date was sooooo embaressed!
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adriahna
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6/28/2006 7:57:09 PM
That's AWESOME that his mom did that - I love it. Gutsy!!! 
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hrrytraver
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7/4/2006 10:19:18 PM
ok. today was the most notable line cutting debacle i have yet seen at an amusement park. interestingly, i was not entirely a bystander, because several of my constituents went ahead and got their hands dirty defending the honor of queue patience for queue-standers the world over.
perhaps a few of these constituents would care to comment on the event?........
Message updated 7/4/2006 10:20:02 PM by hrrytraver
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adriahna
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7/4/2006 11:17:52 PM
Yes, tell us! I imagine cyclo, larry and funland are bad-ass when it comes to calling out cutters...
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larrygator
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7/5/2006 12:02:26 AM
I have no idea what you are talking about.
OK, here is what happened and Cyclonic, Hercules and BobFunland were all there. Great idea for a get together at SFGAdv.
Around 3PM ,while waiting on line for Superman Ultimate Flight a woman comes pushing through the line wanting to get ahead of us to join her boyfriend. Cyclonic and I inform her that she is cutting the line and will not let her pass. As we are arguing with her another woman approaches and tries to pull the same thing wanting to meet up with her boyfriend. Again Cyclonic and I will not let her pass. They start pushing us to get past then a couple of guys come pushing through and want to join their friends, also. None of these parties are together.
As these two guys are up in our faces threatening us one of the girl's boyfriends moves back through to line to drag her forward in the line. Cyclonic and I let her pass since we don't want to deal with this 6ft 5in 300 pound guy. The other girl gets up in my face and starts punching me in the face. Luckily she threw punches like a girl as she was cursing me out and threatening me. Then one of the guys starts pushing me through the line screaming "move out the way nigga, what ya gonna do nigger". Bear with my grammar, I'm not sure if I was being called and nigger or a nigga, is one worse than the other? I informed him he should get his hands off me and let him know that if he continued I would make sure he was escorted out of the park. This whole incident goes on for at least 3 minutes and I end up about 50 feet in front of the rest of the group after the pushing. Three blind mice watching the line would have seen the commotion. BobFunland has some nice pictures of the culprits, also.
Now about ten minutes later (after I am still having an argument with the second woman I let pass, while her boyfriend is trying to shut her up) we finally get the attention of the security team. We talk to them and they pull the woman who punched me off the line where she admits to security that she punched me five times and would do it again. They also pull the guy who shoved me off the line as his seven friends watch. Security decides to let him back in the line since my witnesses and his witnesses negate each other and security says no one else will corroborate the story. (My take - they let him go because his friends look like they would start a fight while the girl and her boyfriend were only two people.)
They keep the girl off the line and ask if I want to file a complaint. My choices are:
1 - If I don't she joins the line again
2 - otherwise I have to go to security and complete a report but at least that means she doesn't get to ride as she will need to go to the security office also.
hrrytrvr and Hercules stay on line, since hrrytrvr needs the credit and they join Cyclonic, BFL and I at the security office later.
Security asks us to fill out reports but has only one pen for us to share and no clipboard to write on. Before they even read our reports they send the woman back in to the park because we had no witnesses to verify that I was assaulted. Sorry I didn't have welts on my face. The security personnel kept giving us the runaround going so far as to tell us the woman has a right to try to join her boyfriend until the time that someone confronts her. They pretty much state without witnesses there is nothing they can do, yet they are unwilling to watch the line and be witnesses themselves.
After 90 minutes of this fiasco they buy us off with one exit line pass a piece. hrrytrvr tries to not accept the pass since he and Herc rode S:UF, and that just confuses the security guy more. He must have been thinking, boy no one ever refused these before.
My beef is that there is nothing proactive done by security. Instead of watching the line they only respond after you call them over and no one wants to volunteer to be a witness because then they have to take 90 minutes out of thei
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BobFunland
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7/5/2006 1:00:04 AM
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Yes, tell us! I imagine cyclo, larry and funland are bad-ass when it comes to calling out cutters... |
aaah but I have never seen THAT! ^
I do my best to maintain the sanctity of the queue line but am rarely met with such obnoxious demeanor and have sure as hell never been pushed. I felt that Larry and Nathan had the situation covered and if I had jumped into it that would have been just asking for more trouble. So... I just stuck with the camera 
And honestly, the linecutting event didn't bother me nearly as much as the way it was handled. Words would be different right now if this was in the FON 'cause their response sucked to me. Then again... I wasnt the one getting hit and pushed
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erinys
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7/5/2006 6:19:47 AM
That's horrible! I'm amazed that even Six Flags handled it so horribly, and is even encouraging line cutting with their stupid policies!
I think darkridrMD & I met your new friends, or friends of theirs, at Dorney. I genuinely felt threatened as I was pushed 1/3 of the way over the railing at the top of the first landing. Forgive me dr, but I'm posting your message to Dorney, and their response, because it is an interesting comparison to SFGAdv and perhaps might be useful as a comparison of different park policies in presenting why SF needs to fix it.
"....The other reason I am writing is in response to an "incident" which occurred at Talon in the mid-afternoon yesterday. Unfortunately, myself and my friend as well as another couple were involved in a potentially heated conflict in which several people tried to cut in line. I just wanted to comment on how well we thought park management handled the incident. I had made a comment to one of the employees at the top of the stairs that several people had cut into line. She said she couldn't do anything because she didn't see it. That was perfectly understandable. It would just be our word against theirs. But when several others made themselves involved, and things looked like they might get violent, the employee made a call right away. Management took the time to get all of our stories and eventually the line cutters left the queue. I don't know if they were ejected from the park or not, but we never saw them again. Anyway, to make a long story short, we came away even more impressed with the park. Kudos on an issue well handled. We will definitely be back!"
More specifically, the parties involved continued to threaten darkridrMD's & the other gentleman's lives even after reaching the ride platform. But it didn't take actual punching to draw attention, just threats and guys climbing up on railings while threatening. They stopped Talon to get it resolved.
Dorney's response -
"May 27, 2006
Thank you for visiting Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom on May 20, 2006.
Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom is dedicated to providing our guests with world-class thrills, fun and family entertainment, guided by the principles of safety, service, courtesy, cleanliness and integrity.
I would like to apologize for any inconvenience that the described incident may have caused you. I can assure you that line jumping is one of our main focus areas for the 2006 season so hopefully you never experience another case like this. However, we really appreciate your positive comments. We continually review our cornerstones with our employees and we are grateful that our guests are able to appreciate our efforts.
Thank you for taking the time to share your feelings with us. We continually strive to make Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom more enjoyable to our guests and we appreciate your comments. Please know that your remarks have been forwarded to the appropriate departments for review.
Hope to see you again soon!
Sincerely,
Heather Kramer
Public Relations Manager
Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom
3830 Dorney Park Road
Allentown, PA 18104
Phone: 610.395.3724
Fax: 610.391.7685"
I hate to write SF again since I'm still waiting for a response to my last letter, but I am tempted to since apparently no one is safe at SFGAdv. PLEASE give us full details (FON if necessary) & keep us updated. If backup inquiry letters about safety and regulations would be helpful, say the word.
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adriahna
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7/5/2006 9:36:21 AM
All of this is completely insane. I can't even imagine being able to compose myself if anyone ever shoved me, nonetheless PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE, because I didn't want to let them cut freely ahead of me in line. I have to say it, I just have to:
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???
Is this a local thing? A generational thing? What the hell? Even on the hottest, most crowded days at theme parks back in my youth, I never saw anything even remotely resembling this sort of situation.
... and don't even get me started on Gadv's mamby-pamby response to the situation...
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hrrytraver
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7/5/2006 9:41:43 AM
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larrygator said:
After 90 minutes of this fiasco they buy us off with one exit line pass a piece. hrrytrvr tries to not accept the pass since he and Herc rode S:UF, and that just confuses the security guy more. He must have been thinking, boy no one ever refused these before.
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here's some interesting details larry didn't mention. one was a few minutes after the initial incident when larry and the girl who assaulted him were facing each other across a fold of the queue. the girl was cussing like a sailor, and even pointed to her crotch and a told larry to take a picture of it (!?). then she called him "white trash".
my question is, how can you tell someone to take a picture of your crotch and accuse them of being "trash" in the same breath?
also of note was this same woman's boyfriend, who seemed like he would almost rather be any place else then standing next to his woman while she frothed at the mouth cussing at larry. i'm pretty sure i know who wears the pants in that relationship.
lastly, ironically, when the security staff finally DID get involved and they had larry, cyclonic, bobf's photos, the girl, and her embarassed boyfriend all together to hash out what happened, the DJ unwittingly played "don't worry be happy" quite loudly on the sound system.
i copied these lyrics from the infamously annoying bobby mcferrin song to illustrate the absurdity the two simultaneous events coming together - ugly lawlessness and insipidly misguided pop song whining away in the background:
"In your life expect some trouble
But when you worry
You make it double
Don't worry, be happy......
Don't worry don't do it, be happy
Put a smile on your face
Don't bring everybody down like this
Don't worry, it will soon past
Whatever it is
Don't worry, be happy"
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adriahna
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7/5/2006 9:44:00 AM
That's our traver - yup, that's you to a tee...
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