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 Review of The Riddlers Revenge @ Six Flags Magic Mountain
-2 Rating Posted by: scubadude on 10/13/2003 2:01:00 AM
The only word that I can think of when describing this roller coaster is lame. The theming is unrealistic even for a Bat Man movie. A stand up roller coaster is planed to be smooth and fast. The Ridlers Revenge is not smooth. It is rough and put more Gs on your bodey while standing than is safe. Its not a ride that I would not ride but is one that is not high on my priority list.
 

Review Comments

Sephiroth7 on 10/13/2003 7:02:56 PM said:
Well I agree and disagree. I agree with the fact that the ride isnt all that cool. Maybe I dont like standups, or maybe I dont like the ride...dont know...only been on one standup. I dont agree that the ride is "unsafe" as you say it is. The ride is completely safe. It is just as safe as any B&M sitdown...
scubadude on 10/14/2003 12:26:32 AM said:
The amount of G forces pressing down on your legs. For most people the human legs are not capable of withstanding that much force for a prolong period of time.
Sephiroth7 on 10/14/2003 1:58:51 AM said:
Obviously you need to get your facts straight. If the ride was unsafe, it would be shut down or toned down. It is not unsafe to ride The Riddlers Revenge. It is way more dangerous driving to Magic Mountain, then gettin on any roller coaster...
scubadude on 10/14/2003 2:30:35 PM said:
In the words of Septhiroth7 "Obviously" you need to take at least a high school physics classs their learning about G forses. The large swing at Magic Mountain is unsafe and so are carnavel rides but you dont see those rides being taken out. I was at Magic Mountain for a life guarding compatition when a guest was seriousley hurt on that ride. After seeing every thing being done to that guest I will not ride this coaster again. Most of the coasters at Maigic Mountain I will not ride again after seeing thier response teams in action.
BobFunland on 10/14/2003 2:41:25 PM said:
scubadude, you are wrong. max g-force: 4.2 (thanks rcdb). the body can put up with much more (humans pass out at 6Gs, not 4: see
http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/1199feat.html).
Also, to say it is rough is absurd: it is a typical B&M smooth-as-glass coaster. Did you find X rough? X is the slightly rough one, and you mentioned nothing of it in your review. Like you said, standups are supposed to be smooth and fast, and RR is both. Say what you want to say about the themeing (it does suck), but the ride itself surely doesnt deserve a 4.
Chet on 10/14/2003 5:41:45 PM said:
yeah, scubadude... i dont think its unsafe. no coaster is, unless you have a problem or something. stop smokin the joints and try it again! LOL LOL LOL LOL
scubadude on 10/14/2003 5:47:17 PM said:
With in my riding of stand up coaster in this countrie and in others RR is by far the worst. I personaley have seen people passo out at only 4 Gs. This is not unknomen for some people. While X is more rough the ride turns you in a position where the Gs do not effect the body as much as a stand up. X and RR are two completley different styles of rides. One is multi dimminsion and the other is just one (standing up). In my eyes you can not compare them. To me the most smooth ride that is at Magic Mountain is Goliath. The Gs are very minute except at the bottom of the first hill and in the helix. In this countire and the rest of the world there are far more superior stand up coasters than The Riddlers Revenge.
scubadude on 10/14/2003 5:51:23 PM said:
I do not think any one is in the right state of mind to comment on a ride that they have never been on. Lookin at your profile chetcosta, it seems you have never even been near this ride. Who are you to just make comments with out backing your self up.
Chet on 10/14/2003 5:59:29 PM said:
dude... im only jokin with the drug comment... but all roller coasters are completely safe.
crazydude on 10/15/2003 12:32:11 AM said:
That was the stupidist review ever. I rode RR 5 times last time i went to magic mountain.....Its definetely the 3rd best coaster there (behind X, then Deja Vu) It really is a wonderful fun coaster. If youve ever been on another standup you know how much better this one is!
scubadude on 10/15/2003 11:31:45 AM said:
I have been on several other stand up soacters and they have taught me how much supioer they are compared to RR. They have also shown me how unsafe this ride relly is.
ski on 10/15/2003 11:45:06 AM said:
I happen to agree with scubadude. I grew up at that park and I will not let my own kids ride any ride in that park. The park is to unsafe. I have seen way to many neck injureys come out of that park. RR is one ride that I will not even go on for seeing how unsafe they are at other parks and even Magic Mountain
BobFunland on 10/15/2003 2:15:46 PM said:
How can RR be unsafe? Or are you talking about the smaller rides, which are generally much more unsafe than coasters? What other stand-ups have you been on, just Shockwave?

Also, X and RR are both steel coasters: they are automatically put into the same category. Its not like comparing collossus (or even worse: psyclone) to deja vu.

Sephiroth7 on 10/15/2003 3:02:38 PM said:
"In the words of Septhiroth7 "Obviously" you need to take at least a high school physics classs their learning about G forses" See, what gets me the most is that you are trying to make ME look bad when you cant even spell forCes. And to completely rectify the situation, RR is NOT unsafe. MM as a whole is also safe. EVERY theme park has incidents. And to back up what I said eariler, DRIVING to the theme park is MUCH MUCH (did I say much?) more dangerous then going on ANY ride at MM. Common sense people, youre supposed to have it...
ski on 10/15/2003 5:28:32 PM said:
Common sense is in the eyes of the beholder. Not all roller coasters are safe. Some appear safe but in reality are not. Some one using common sense would accept the
thoughts of some one else not shot them down. To me you need to use some common sense. You make fun of some one elses spelling with out stopping and thinking twice why
they are spelling words wrong. Some of the worlds most intelligent people can not spell to save their lives. You do not make fun of them. What kind of person are you!
Swimace on 10/15/2003 7:40:22 PM said:
Personnaly, I think riddler;s revenge track layout is great but, isnt suited for stand up trains. The ride would be better as a floorless. also MM and the rides at the park ARE safe. First of all Six Flags wouldnt open an unsafe roller coaster second B&M wouldnt design an unsafe roller coaster and neither would any other of the world famous roller coaster designers that have built rides at MM.
BobFunland on 10/16/2003 2:17:31 PM said:
anyone who thinks a coaster is unsafe is crazy- they are safer than cars, trains, planes... almost everything. Usually, when people die its their own fault (see IOA, last month). also, if RR was floorless, it would be better than scream.
sfo1 on 10/16/2003 8:00:05 PM said:
Really. If it was unsafe, itd have to be torn down, and people would be getting injured.
Red Rascal on 10/16/2003 8:13:49 PM said:
It can be unsafe and no one would know about it. Any coaster/ride can be unsafe.
Swimace on 10/16/2003 10:20:57 PM said:
your right, it would be alot better than Scream!
scubadude on 10/16/2003 10:29:50 PM said:
A roller coaster is only safe until someone gets hurt. An example of this is Thunder Mountain. Sense it was built is was thought to be safe. It was not until this year they relized it was not safe.
toaddy on 10/16/2003 10:41:23 PM said:
I have a word for you guys that call this unsafe, but my post will be deleted. If you think the ride is dangerous or complain about the forces on the feet then you are officially old. TOO ANY THRILL LOVER, THIS REVIEWER DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT. Ride Riddler, youll love it and thank me later. I find Riddler superior to Goliath.
Swimace on 10/17/2003 10:26:59 PM said:
OK, that last sentence may have been a little bit umm...... off in most peoples opinion. But, your entitled to your own opinion
Red Rascal on 10/18/2003 5:13:27 PM said:
Jrehanek said: ...they are safer than cars, trains, planes... I dont think so. A coaster is controlled by a teenager while a train or plane is controlled by a professional.
Chet on 10/18/2003 5:39:27 PM said:
I think coasters are safer than cars and planes, but not trains. trains are just like roller coasters if you think aobut it. Cars are more dangerous because if you are a professional, it doesnt mean other drivers are. it doesnt matter if its your fault in an accident or not, you still get injured or die. planes are not as dangerous as cars, but not as safe as coasters. airlines are safer than rolelr coasters, but single-passenger planes are more dangerous. think aobut it. allyiah and the kennedys died in a single-passenger or a small plane. in plus, you dont need a pro to operate a coaster. teenagers do just as good of job. once youre out of the station, you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning on a coaster than for it derailing, etc. etc. on the other hand, if someone has any problems when they go on a coaster, like with the heart, lungs, etc., they are more dangerous than cars, trains, planes, because they cannot take the gs or the speed.
Swimace on 10/19/2003 2:34:26 PM said:
Ya, the reason proffessionals dont operate coasters is because theyre so safe that a monkey could push the button and send the train out of the station. Its not like they hire teens to fix rides.
scubadude on 10/20/2003 1:01:21 AM said:
Teens that operate roller coasters are trained and than trained again. This does not mean that they are still safe. Not any one can operate a roller coaster. An operator has to be allert of every thing that is happaning on the ride. The little problems are what cause accidents. To addreas the planes. More people die in larger plane accidents than small planes not just because that larger planes hold more people but because more can go wrong in a more complicated machine. This is according to my dad who works for the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration).
Sephiroth7 on 10/20/2003 3:01:37 AM said:
Umm...smaller planes crash way more then big jets. That is completely false . Also, its all relative and has nothing to do with the "eye of the beholder". Driving to any theme park is much more dangerous then any ride at the park, period. That is not my opinion, that is fact. If you dont want to go on a ride because you believe it is unsafe, then dont. Coasters are dangerous during testing cycles and shortly after the ride first opens. This is simply due to miscalculations or anything that might come up that wasnt thought about previously. Thats why some coasters are toned down etc etc. To say a ride like RR is unsafe is false. There is no evidence behind that, it is completely false. Also, to say that teenagers control rides is ridiculous. Unless its a old wooden coaster thats hand run like they Cyclone, its all computerised. Something like RR is designed not to work unless it is operating under safe conditions...
BobFunland on 10/20/2003 2:41:39 PM said:
in response to Big Red, coasters are statistically safer, compared to the other modes of transportation.
as for the stats, small planes do crash more often because there are more of them in use. However, they do not neccesarily result in death, and they dont add up as quickly as say, a 747.
ski on 10/20/2003 2:47:48 PM said:
What you are saying is false. Smaller plans have a better saftey record than large. Just because a roller coaster is desinged to only operate under safe conditions does not mean that the ride is safe. There are factors that a computer can not even comprehend. Modern coasters are operated by computers, computers are not flaw less, they to make mistaks. Look at the most recent of roller coaster accidents. A computer thought it was safe to run and people died. You can not always trust a computer. In my experience in the theme park industri I have learned to relie on human rather than a computer. Computer can correct them selves to a point where it thinks it is in a safe opperating condition but in reality it is not. Their is no evidence to prove that RR is unsafe. At least none that you know of. I have seen first hand documents that prove some of the roller coasters out their are indeed unsafe. The large corporations like Six Flags hide some of these documents. They will not release them willingley. They are in the business to get you in the park and ride the rides so that you spend money. All parks are run this way. If you go in to a park and request the saftey records by law they will let you see them. Not all rides are safe even if the park makes you believe they are. Deaths on roller coaster or deaths related to roller coasters happen all the time. They are not always announced to the public. For example; if you knew hundreds of people were dying on a roller coaster and they did nothing to fix it, would you ride it. What if they dont tell you about anything. No warnings. I know there are warnings but is this enough?
Sephiroth7 on 10/20/2003 11:37:08 PM said:
Small planes crash ALL the time, you just dont hear about it as much as the big jets on T.V. In any case, I am not wrong and you are about as likely to die in a plane crash, as getting stung by a bee. To say computers screw up more then people is ridiculous. If it was safer, then they wouldnt be using computers today. I dont even feel like writing a long response to the complete innaccuracy of these statements....
BobFunland on 10/21/2003 2:20:20 PM said:
Sephiroth7 has hte right idea...
scubadude on 10/22/2003 1:22:50 AM said:
I can see you are not around aviation. Every time a plane crashes small or large my family hears about it. My fathers job is to investigate the accidents. I am right you are wrong. The only thing you are good for is to disagree with people and make your self feel important. Now I am right. Computers screw up all the time. Maybe not what you are use to. When a computer freezes it screw up. When it shouts down with out you telling you and for no apparent reasson, thats right, it screwed up. Every few years roller coasters have to change their computer systems. Not just because they are old but because they become inacruret (spelling?) for that ride and have to be updated so that they can hanndle the new cappacity of the ride and to become more safe. I have been on rides that the computer has failed and been repalced. Nothing bad in the long run happened but we were stuck at the top of the lift. On the coaster that I became stuck on took an hour before they relized what happened and to come and get us off the lift. It was cool. Most airplane accidents you do not hear on the news even if they are big. I can not count how many airplane accidents that I have seen. I am right you are wrong. Now leave me alone. I do not enjoy talking to some one who trys to feel important by putting other people down. If you do not have anything good to say stop responding to this.
BobFunland on 10/22/2003 2:26:32 PM said:
Arrogant, huh? Im assuming youre not talking to me.. how old are you anyway, six?

Also, just looking back at what Big Red said a while back: big airplanes are controlled by computers now too. Remember Y2K when they thought the planes would fall out of the air at midnight GMT?
Sephiroth7 on 10/23/2003 7:12:06 PM said:
"I am right, you are wrong" Good technique, Ill remember that one in the future...
Swimace on 10/23/2003 7:30:53 PM said:
Scubadude, you need to chill out and grow up. You dont know everything and shouldnt act like you do. Im not saying you dont know about planes I just think you need to grow up "I am right, you are wrong" whats up with that?
crazydude on 10/25/2003 2:16:53 AM said:
What do you look like scubadude...I just want to make sure I never see YOU operating a coaster im on......now THAT could be a disaster. BTW: Cool down......jrehanek and Sephiroth7 are perfectly smart people im sure...watch who you bash upon and how you do it...
-Spike
Sephiroth7 on 10/28/2003 5:08:29 PM said:
hehe....Ive been around TPC a while now, if you think this is bad, you aint seen nothing yet!
toaddy on 10/28/2003 7:14:04 PM said:
How did this turn into an aviation debate? Back on topic Scuba doesnt know what hes talking about rating this ride. Look in his top 10. The fact he has Matterhorn in there is enough for me to dismiss most of his opinions. Matterhorn is not a top 10 ride. Its fun, but come on, the first coaster with a steel track? Weve come JUST A BIT FARTHER THAN THAT in the last half centry.(sarcasim).
Swimace on 10/28/2003 8:03:10 PM said:
Whoa! ScubaDude! You ranked the Matterhorn Bobsleds better than X?!?!?!? How can that be? Your ride tracker says that youve been on Goliath but that isnt even ranked, how do you rate your rides?
toaddy on 10/30/2003 9:56:18 PM said:
I think he fears big coasters.
scubadude on 11/1/2003 2:16:10 AM said:
As of yet I have not rank all my coasters. To some people on this site I have a life and do not spend all my time on this web site ranking rides. Its a side enjoyment. The themeing to me is the main key to any good ride. While X has little to no scenery, the Matterhorn is full of scenery. I do not fear big coasters. As I said I believe that scenery is the main key to a good coaster. Most big coasters do not have a great deal of themeing. Yes Goliath has some scenery but not enough to effect the ride.
Swimace on 11/1/2003 8:23:54 AM said:
umm, it takes like 2 minutes to rank rides. But whatever you say. FYI: I have a life
Danny on 11/1/2003 10:25:42 AM said:
Sounds like scubadude cares more about theming and scenery than teh coaster itself.
Swimace on 11/1/2003 12:23:31 PM said:
Well, scenery can add alot to a coaster, but its not what makes or breaks a coaster. You can have a good coaster without theming but, theming without the coaster is nothing.
Sephiroth7 on 11/1/2003 4:26:49 PM said:
As ive said in the past, if youre THINKING about scenery on X, you need to restablish your priorites on coaster riding. I am a theming maniac. I love theming. There is a time and a place for everything. Yet, I tend not to care too much when Im going 200 ft / 90 deg / face down on X. I really couldnt give a crap if there was a hidden Mickey on the way down or not....
scubadude on 11/1/2003 5:30:00 PM said:
Aa an architect scenry is much more apparent to me than others. Scenry can transfor an everyday rollercoaster into a ride that transforms you to a different time, place, and deminsion. Not seeing how the coaster is made only offers more thrills.
Chet on 11/1/2003 6:11:49 PM said:
umm... wow, what did you get on your last english test? LOL
Swimace on 11/1/2003 9:26:49 PM said:
lol, you dont seem to keen on smarts. Are you sure youre an architect....... as in college graduate?
Sephiroth7 on 11/3/2003 12:06:29 AM said:
He must have been in a "different time, place and deminsion" when he wrote that
Sephiroth7 on 11/3/2003 12:10:51 AM said:
Seriously though, I still dont see why X "needs" theming, but whatever...
scubadude on 11/3/2003 1:15:52 AM said:
X works without themeing but not all coaster do. You can make fun of my spelling all you want but I have won numerous awards for my work. I may not be the best speller but I am very good at my work, and yes I have a college degree. I am now becoming tired of talking to people that are not capable of accepting the view of others. I learned to see the views of others in college did you?
Swimace on 11/3/2003 6:51:19 PM said:
Most coasters do work without theming, its the roller coasters like space/thunder mountain that need theming. You also sound like a brat in alot of your postings "Ive won alot of awards for my work" congratulations, Im sure nobody else has ever won anything. If I get any more athletic awards I wont know what to do with them. It isnt like we dont respect your opinion, its just that youre an architect saying that RR isnt safe. Should I take this as your professional Opinion or what?
toaddy on 11/4/2003 4:12:50 PM said:
I have a question, how the hell do you theme a large say 65 mph coaster? You can theme the lift and thats about it. Everywhere else in the coaster youll be moving to fast to notice anything. So someone plese, "enlighten me." The only coasters that can me themed are the tamer ones.
Swimace on 11/4/2003 6:38:10 PM said:
Thank you Toaddy! Take the Hulk. Excellent theme and storyline inside the station and on the lift. Once you exit the tunnel, all theming goes away. Same with DD. Those two (three if you count dd as two) coasters are probably some of the best themed large coasters but, their theming ends when you leave the lift, or in dds case the station.
Sephiroth7 on 11/4/2003 10:10:58 PM said:
Yea, exactly. The only semi-large coaster that has theming throughout is RocknRoller Coaster at MGM. It isnt the most instense coaster around, but it fairly intense for a themed ride...
Swimace on 11/5/2003 7:13:52 PM said:
Disney did a pretty good job balancing theme and thrills for this ride. Its not perfect, but its still a pretty good ride.
toaddy on 11/7/2003 6:20:10 PM said:
I havnt been on R&R. It was under construction during my last visit to FL. But Ive heard good things. Disneys best theme/ride crossover I think is Tower of Terror. Good theme, fun ride.
Swimace on 11/10/2003 9:41:12 PM said:
Where did ScubaDude go? Come back!!!! We arent done arguing! You never answered my question!! Is your professional opinion as an architect that RR isnt safe??
Chet on 11/10/2003 9:46:21 PM said:
we probably scared him away. LOL
Swimace on 11/11/2003 7:28:47 PM said:
:cry: He was alot of fun when he got going on his "Disney is far superior" trips
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