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-3 Rating Posted by: hrrytraver on 7/16/2005 12:26:00 PM

i rode this in 2000, and i just cant remember anything about it. thats why i give it a five. one should be able to remember a coaster ride. i can tell you what i DO remember. i rode it in the front seat. should have been pretty exciting, right? i remember it looked very sexy and wild from the ground. i also remember the trains, which in my opinion look right out of the latest pixar film. i dont get too scared when i board a coaster that looks like a computer animated cartoon. but aside from that, i dont remember the ride itself. i dont remember my nervous system being titillated in the least. i hyped it to my girlfriend before we rode, like "we should ride this, inverted coasters are really cool in the front seat."
nope. completely forgot it.

Bogus.

Amazing how good your review for volcano was and how totally stupid and ridiculous this review is. I guess I should also mark down all my reviews since I dont get scared on 98% of coasters I ride.

hi. i appreciate you taking some time to comment to me. i think i should concede to you that my review is ridiculous, but "stupid" is kinda harsh. its a valid criticism of the roller coaster in itself that i forgot it. thats the point. why didnt i remember the ride itself? i only remember those green and purple Buzz Lightyear looking trains and that i made a comment to my girlfriend before we got in line. and i wasnt smoking hashish or drinking stolicnaya. i think i forgot it becuase it was vanilla and generic. i DO remember certain coasters i rode twenty years ago pretty distinctly, the ones i loved. this was a mere five years ago. as for being scared, its relative.....obviously i dont get scared on coasters the way i got scared when i got jumped by a bunch of guys in baltimore.

Why not wait until you ride it more recently to review it?

good point. however, not everyone can get out to certain parks every year, every two years, and in my case, five. i like discussions, so i posted a review i didnt think everyone would dig. but its true as i tell it.

Its not the rides fault you have a horrible memory. You posted a retarded review.

taco king. my memory is holding up ok. check out my other reviews. forgettable is forgettable. do you own stocks in cedar fair or something?

I look at it like this hrry you have a lot of rides in your tracker and you only have written a few reviews. Why pick one you dont remember. Raptor has fallen off a little but no way is it a five especially for your reasons.

c05- ill post more reviews soon, which should give readers a better idea of the style of my tastes.

I dont care about your tastes. You dont give a ride a bad rating because you dont remember it.

taco king- dag, dude. youre a tough audience!

I read this and I dont see too big of a problem. Would I prefer if he remembered? Yes, but that says a lot about a ride IMO, kinda like I dont remember much if anything about Mayan Mindbender which I last rode in 2001, why, because it wasnt good enough to make a lasting impression. Thats all, yet I still remember certain rides from when I was five or six years old... why? Because they were either really good or really bad. Thats what I get out of it...

Hi, hrrytraver, and welcome to the site. Ive enjoyed your reviews so far and look forward to more. As you can see, people have very strong opinions around here, and if youre going to rate a ride substantially below its average, youd be well-advised to provide specifics. The same is true for the converse. I recently gave a HIGH rating to a ride I couldnt remember too well *** cough - Cyclops - cough *** and was taken to task accordingly. The moral of the story: the burden of persuasion lies with he who would buck the weight of opinion.

timberman- ha...indeed. and thanks for the first welcome ive received!

Its still a horrible review.

hello gosquan. hello other readers too. i apologize because im going to get nickpicky here. gosquan- heres a review of yours, of a ferris wheel - "Its too boring. The height saved it from a 1. Roller Coasters are better." that is the entire review. this review tells the reader more about you as a person than of the ride itself. its an apple and orange comparison, which often gets a "bad" from lots of people on this site. my review has the same characteristic. its really about me and my perception of coasters like raptor. i understand why people dont like it, but im not alone in putting up reviews that reveal my personality more than the ride itself. i like both kinds of reviews - the kind that educate me about a park and a ride, and the kind that just orient me as to the opinion of a writer. dont cast stones. me personally, i havent given anyone a "bad" review or flamed anyone for their reviews, but i do like to praise a nice or interesting bit of writing.

Well said, Traver - I cant believe it took me this long to jump into the conversation. My basic take on this is as follows (deep breaths, everyone)... everyone has their own way of reviewing the rides on this site - some with methods that are pretty distinct. You have those that compare coasters to ferris wheels, and those that compare coasters to coasters, and keep ferris wheels and other, more tamer, rides amongst each other. I tend to fall into the latter category. Then, you have those who are pretty darned die-hard - Cyclonic, for example, mentioned to me once that it takes a very special ride to convince him it deserves a 10, something which I fully respect and appreciate. And yes, there are people, like Traver here, who rate and review a ride based on its staying power - or, rather, memorability. Everyones ride experience, regardless of what coaster, carousel or such, is unique - there are rides that some are fiercely loyal to, the same rides that others, well, just cant even really remember riding. And if Travers experience with Raptor was just that, then he has a right to give it a 5, and explain why. And yes, I think he explained it well enough - he just didnt have a memorable experience. Traver clearly isnt out to trash the ride, hes not bad-mouthing it or Cedar Point in general. Have a look at his other reviews - Id say that hes on the level, to say the least. Its just that, well, Raptor didnt impress him - he has the right to that claim.

Your other reviews are great its just this one. I never said I love Raptor. Im not a fanboy of Cedar Point. In fact I dislike Cedar Point Fanboys. But you didnt even remember the ride. If you remembered the whole thing and gave it the same rating and elaborated good enough then its fine. But you messed up the ratings because you forgot about the ride. If you dont know anything about it then you should not post. I agree that I have had 3 or 4 bad reviews but most of mine are average or good.

id like to make another comment for a moment, since this review has inspired some discussion. i recently read another debate in which a reviewer was criticized for having bias towards a certain park. it was pointed out that a reader coming in cold would mistake a very subjective opinion for an objective one. i for one have just a wee bit more faith that people can find where the objective reality is for themselves by just a few extra clicks of the mouse and a minor bit of thought. i like very opinionated writing because im not a moron (at least not a big one)and i can come to my own conclusions about something. my review of raptor didnt throw off the average and cedar point attendance didnt drop off after i posted it. if someone looks through a few of my reviews they will see that i dont like steel coasters as much as wood and i especially dont care for steel looping coasters. why i think this is ok for a message board like this is that there are a few readers, in the minority i realize, that feel the same way i do, and they will take my reviews seriously. many wont take me seriously because i dont rate B&M coasters highly and millenium force isnt in my top ten. that is ok with me. but i write for that minority that does agree with me. very subjective reviews are helpful too.

Wait a second. Did you mean you forgot everything about the ride like was it smooth, fast, etc. Or did you not have a memorable experience?

adriahna and bobfun got my point...it wasnt memorable. i think that i didnt provide enough context in the review, hoping that people would check out my other reviews and see my frame of reference. as a few years passed, the memory of all those loops and immelmans etc just kind of faded away. however my rides on magnum and MF stood out in my mind.......

Oh so you meant it is not good enough to remember. I get get your point now.

hrry looking at your ride traker, I see you only have seven rides from cedarpoint on it. Is that all you rode or did you forget them too? I do understand that people forget rides and shows. What I dont unerstand is that you reviewed this ride and not the millenium force. I just dont see the raptor as a 5, but hey its your opinion.

hi taylor- ive defended this review quite a bit, but i dont mind defending it a little more. i enjoy the "personality" factor of this site and i try to write my reviews as a "larger discourse" that people can check out if they feel like it, maybe some will like my point of veiw and writing. i guess if you read just this review you may well find me to be a nincompoop or idiot, perhaps a stoner who is very disoriented when he goes to parks. but, if you check my top ten and read a few more reviews you will see that i am passionate about what i like, that i have a very good memory and that certain kinds of rides leave me pretty flat, raptor being a good example. that was the point of this review and i think all things considered it was a failure. however, i dont want to change it because the discussions which followed were good and its still the truth. PS- ill get to MF eventually, in the meantime theres a hundred reviews of MF to occupy everybody.

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